In preparation of the Indonesian state visit of our Dutch King and Queen, Dutch Culture organised a special seminar at De Brakke Grond in Amsterdam: 'Indonesia and the Netherlands: a joint future'. The seminar focused on the themes 'Art and culture', 'Circular economy', 'From the past to the future' and 'Knowledge diplomacy'. Several experts discussed the versatile relationship between Indonesia and the Netherlands and presented their visions within the framework of the above mentioned themes.


During the seminar, What if Lab was included in the theme 'Art and culture'. What if Lab coordinator Dries van Wagenberg interviewed Indonesian designer Vivian Maretina about the value of co-creation in regards to the project 'What if Lab: the sustainable society'. Together with Dutch designer Marleen van Bergeijk, Vivian developed the project 'UNMASKED, making the invisible visible' for What if Lab.

The seminar, moderated by Robin de Vogel and Remco Vermeulen, was concluded with a musical performance by jazz collective Boi Akih.